Episode 105 – Paul Tokgozoglu on The Military Millionaire Podcast

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Episode 105 – Paul Tokgozoglu on The Military Millionaire Podcast

 

00:00 - 05:00

Intro:

You're listening to the military millionaire podcast, a show about real estate investing for the working class. Stay tuned as we explore ways to help you improve your finances, build wealth through real estate and become a person that is worth knowing.

Alex:

Welcome military millionaires, I am your host Alex Felice and I am joined by our favorite mustachioed marine David Pere, our guest today, the host of the beyond homosapien podcast where he discusses human evolution and overcoming our limiting beliefs.

He is a pioneer US Army guy. He's an entrepreneur. He's excited to have an insanely hype show with us right now. Let me introduce to you, Paul Tokgozoglu

Welcome Paul, how are you?

Paul:

I'm great. Thanks for that. I appreciate it. That was a good one. I felt like I was in the UFC or something.

David:

I'm never gonna get to do an intro again. Like I'm slowly getting routed out of my own head.

Put on the credits Dave started here. Where is he?

Paul, tell us a little bit about yourself?

Paul:

What's up, guys? Thanks for having me here. So I joined the army back in 2014. As a military police officer, I got out of ROTC and thought I had a ton of answers. And then I got to the big army and realized I had no answers. And I was just some second and I got stuck at a staff position for about a year and a half.

And, honestly, it was not what I was expecting. And the military is great overall, like a great experience. I got stationed in Germany, which was awesome. And ultimately, like one of the greatest personal growth experiences I've ever had by far, but ultimately, not for me, and I started to have a lot of mental health issues while I was over there, like, I just could not stand being in an office. Like this whole staff thing was just not for me, like putting together I was working. You guys are in the military, you know, I was Working in s3 brigade s3 shop for managing like, you know, a couple thousand soldiers, and we were I was just writing orders 24/7 doing powerpoints, 24/7 briefing curdles, 24/7 not 24 seven, but you understand not 24/7 I they did they did allow me to go home. I just want to be clear on that.

But again, hear what I say. And it was just like, holy shit. I was like, what did I get myself into? I was like, it was like that for the first year and a half. And the whole time they were all like, well, who put you here? Like you should be a platoon leader. They're like, who did you get this job? Like, no one in my chain of command could understand how I even liked it.

And that was the story of my military career, honestly, it was like everyone was just always surprised. my whole career was like, just HRC didn't like me. I don't know. I was cursed. I just, I don't but ultimately, I felt like a victim for a long time. I felt like the military tricked me. You know, this isn't what I signed up for. I thought it was gonna be different. And I was having a lot of mental mental health issues, I was having a lot of anxiety. I was having panic attacks every day because I just felt trapped. You know, I was like, man, I just can't get out of this, this sort of thing.

And then it didn't click for me until I took control. And I changed my perspective. And I saw like, no, this is what I signed up for. This is what I need to do. And ultimately, this is to serve me, this is in my highest good. There's something here that I'm supposed to learn. There's some lesson here that I'm missing. You know, I had to switch that whole perspective with the help of getting into hermetic philosophy and getting into different different spiritual practices and things like that, that I was kind of diving into and then I got into entrepreneurship and I found podcasting. And then it kind of clicked for me. I was like, no, I'm supposed to be getting into podcasting and marketing and setting myself up for when I get out of the army. And this is my this is like my training time, this is when I get to have my bills paid. And I can make all these mistakes in the business. And I can learn, you know, so that switching perspective is really kind of what did it for me.

So that's what I'm passionate about a lot these days is talking about that. And, I think that that's where a lot of people are right now. In 2020 there'll be a lot of people who just feel like a victim, right? They feel like this whole thing is happening to them. But it's not. It's just in your head.

Alex:

Can I sum the whole thing up? Because I love that story. But I think a lot of entrepreneurs and a lot of people in our field go through this and I think it comes down to self responsibility. And it's something that we aren't good as a culture about promoting. You know, everybody like you said as a victim, they're all entitled, right? Can’t lose nothing, nothing bad. And if it happens to you, it's not fair and well, the world shouldn't be unfair. And, and I like that you just you I mean, I'm summarizing for you. But that's basically what I heard was a guy, whatever...

05:00 - 10:00

Paul:

Yeah, exactly. It's all about that. I think that's where we're at right now, collectively as a species, you know, my podcast I started is about human evolution, kind of where this is all going. And I think that's what's happening is right now we're at a time where we're having all this stuff that's coming to light, you know, whether you're on the right or the left, there's fishy stuff happening. And no matter how you look at it, you know, there's something fishy going on. And it's all about saying, hey, no, we're the ones who elected these people. We’re the ones who voted, you know, who established this government, right? It's supposed to be a representative government. Or if you're in the military, like we're the ones who joined the military, right? Like we're the ones who signed up, they didn't fucking point a gun at us and say, you gotta sign up like, you know what I mean? So it's all about that being like, no, I'm, this is the situation we're in. We're the ones who voted these people into power if we don't like it, guess what, we're gonna have to research better candidates and vote accordingly. Your face like that, you know, and it's that's what people are missing. They're like they're just victim mode straight victim mode.

Alex:

Oh what about maybe more micro than that, right? I understand your position, but maybe we can make an example, It doesn't infuriate so much, but about people's personal lives, right. Like people are fussed up, they're fussing about their financial situation. And they expect...

Paul:

Oh, for sure.

Alex:

Maybe the government will fix it. What is that?

Paul:

I don't like that mentality too much, here's my view on that kind of stuff is I don't think the government should have I'm very like libertarian, and a lot of my beliefs these days are like, I'm not a big fan of the government dishing out money in general. However, I'm also not a fan of them giving you 1200 bucks, and the bankers on Wall Street trillions and then we pay for that money through inflation. Over time. We're not going to see that but it's still an attack, right? If the price of goods goes up 10% because of this giant bailout, we gave, that's a 10% tax on you and me, so I'm not I guess what I'm getting at is like if you're gonna give money if you're gonna do something like that make it a lot more equal than it is right now or don't give money you know what are the two cuz like it out is backwards It doesn't make sense.

Alex:

Well besides what they do right? What about, I guess my angle with you which I liked was what you're saying was personal responsibility because the situation we're in I don't agree with it.

Paul:

Yeah.

Alex:

What am I? What am I going to do for myself?

Paul:

Oh for sure. So, again I'm big on starting a business. Entrepreneurship is huge right now it's really easy to get started starting a company of some variety and now does that mean like does that mean that every starting a business is not a get rich quick scheme as obviously you guys are sure no.

However, there's a lot of entrepreneurial things that you can do. You can sell on eBay. You can sell on Facebook marketplace. I've this whole currency in time. I've paid so many bills with eBay and Facebook marketplace is Big eBay is poppin right now honestly like if you have shit around your house and you're that you're not using and you're short on cash and you're not selling on ebay like you're missing out like like especially if you got old gym equipment that stuff is like is flying anything that's out of stock on Amazon if you have that like this this webcam that I'm using I had two of these webcams for some reason because I had a backup and then they're all out of stock on Amazon I sold it for like double what I got it for brand new.

So I guess that's kind of what I'm getting at is like okay, like yeah, we you know, it's hard to start a business it's hard to do XYZ you might not be an expert Digital Marketer day one for sure. But there's so many things we could do like you can teach online, you can you can you can watch what's it called? You can be a virtual assistant. You can do like out you know, there's a lot of like menial work you can do online. Like, kind of boring hourly sort of stuff, but it can help. Like, there's a lot of kinds of these more, you got to open your mind is what I'd say. You got to think a little outside the box and be like, okay, what's the entrepreneurial way we can, we can help each other right now.

Does that make sense?

Alex:

Yeah. I'm just curious if David wants to talk about this podcast or he's talking about running the show.

David:

You guys are having fun. I'm over here listening. I'm just waiting to be able to say like, Alright, what about psychedelics? Ah..

Paul:

I don't know if we're there yet.

Alex:

He said, ethno genic research that's what that means. Right?

Paul:

Ethno genic research I like that.

Alex:

Is it you call that ethno genic what do you call it “notice notice”?

David:

I if you're asking me I don't know what that thing is.

Alex:

I got into ethno genic spirituality or something?

Paul:

Oh, no Hermetic Philosophy.

Alex:

Hermetic Philosophy.

Paul:

Yeah. Yeah.

David:

I googled it while he was talking. Ah...

10:00 - 15:00

Paul:

It's an obscure one a lot of people may not have heard him..

David:

From the restaurants

Alex:

Isn't a kabillion that book about him?

Paul:

Yeah the kabillion that's one of the more well, The Kabillion is honestly more of a new thought book, but it's inspired by hermeticism true hermetic philosophy comes from the hermetic corpus, which comes from from Rome is when it’s stated there.

David:

So what is like, brief like a 5000 view overview of hermetic philosophy.

Paul:

Ah, allegedly is the ancient tradition of Greece and Egypt, and the ancient Mystery Schools of the world, the ancient kind of initiatory priesthoods, or secret societies or whatever you want to call it.

And this teaching this philosophy is brought back from the Crusades to Florence during the Renaissance and Cosmo Omenitchi, he put a hole or I forget, it was Cosmo might have been his father, the patriarch of the of the Medici family at the time, put a hold on translating Plato, which they we're currently working on at the time because they had heard about hermeticism and hermetic philosophy. They said, we won't, we got to translate that we got to figure out what that's all about.

And then they got really into it, and it became very widely published and widely, you know, consumed to a degree in Florence during the Renaissance. And that was a catalyst for a lot of these kinds of ideas. And then that kind of bled over into, you know, Christianity over time. And these days it kind of comes back in the form of this law of attraction teaching, like this whole idea around like the secret, and all that kind of stuff. That's all hermeticism that's all it's all. It's all a I don't want to say a skewed version, but it's a, I don't know, a baby version of it.

Alex:

We live in such a, we live in such a shallow materialist world where everybody's, I don't wanna say everybody's miserable, but like, have you seen the suicide rates, there's no reason that you hear so many diseases and starvation and then people are often themselves so, so much.

And so I think I'm the rise of, you know, I read more philosophy than what most people but I read, I read more now than ever and a lot of it is like, you know, it's not that there's ancient and it's not that there's answers some secret answers and philosophy, it's just that they're there, they're actually really interesting, useful answers that people just, you know, they don't want to hear it right. Take self responsibility. Like that's Old Testament 101 right? Take self responsibility yourself. Life's unfair.

Paul:

Yeah. And I love it. No, I'm sorry, I cut you off.

David:

It's good.

Alex:

Okay, so David, David said psychedelics.

David:

Yeah, I don't know what we're talking about. I just know that that was brought up as a topic that we could discuss.

I don't know the first damn thing, so. I was a homeschooled weirdo in high school.

Paul:

Oh, me too. I was homeschooled as well.

David:

Oh, look at that. Alex, you're the weirdo now.

Alex:

Here we are. Dude, I went to public school.

David:

We're normal. The majority, silent majority over here.

Paul:

The silent majority of homeschool x hosts there. No that's why I did all this crazy stuff because I was homeschool. I'm a nerdy ass kid. I don't know I've been reading old fucking books since I was born.

My mom read me Ivanhoe when I was six.

David:

We are in a different high school, I ran away from home.

Paul:

This was when I was growing up like my mom would read me books as my literature class as she read me Ivanhoe when I was like six.

Looking back on it, I was like, why did he read me such a complicated book? I didn't understand a word of it. I just knew that it was a knight and I liked it.

David:

We had different experiences. I cheated in math, failed English and ran away from home at one point. Not the best, the best homeschooled student probably would not have been the best anything student.

Paul:

That's okay. You're here now.

Alex:

I was a lifelong screw up and then I found books about five years ago and they changed my life and I do . I like old books. So the fact that you like old books really that pings me.

Paul:

I love it man. Old books, I feel this way about it, like honestly, um I learned better watching video or podcasts. So like, if someone's alive today, I'd rather watch a video like, like, that's what I like Joe Rogan's podcast. I'm like, man, I'd rather watch like Elon Musk talk on Joe Rogan's podcast versus like, read Ilan musk book, if that makes sense.

Alex:

Yeah, but..

Paul:

What I'm getting at is like, these old books like these people are dead, you can't get their ideas any other way. There's only one way, so the only books I read these days are old books from people who are dead, because if someone's alive, I'm just gonna go get them on Audible or YouTube. You know?

David:

And you know it. If it's 200 years old, and people still talk about it. Then there's actually like, it's not crap. Yeah, Lindy.

Alex:

Nisha, I love nature. I thought I'd read a few of his books. Not at least just before the show. I just finished up his 1886 genealogy of morality. And let me tell you something, there ain't nobody that speaks like he did as far as I as far as he's if he's ready. Yeah, he's pretty. He's pretty severe. But, but who else do you? Who do you like that's old and dead?

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Paul:

Old and dead? I've been reading a lot of Manley Hall lately. I don't know if you've heard of him. Manley Hall is awesome. I also have been reading a book by Godfrey Higgins called NACA ellipsis, which is about the original religion of the world, allegedly.

And basically the secret history of the, you know, the ancient religion that is now currently embedded itself in all of our world religions collectively. It's a fascinating book and then, Madame Blavatsky’s book ISIS unveiled as she was a Russian noblewoman from the 1800s. And that's a super fuckin insane book. And, yeah, psychedelics have helped me a lot and my understanding of even...

David:

Alex is like, I can't buy all these at once.

Alex:

Yeah I’ll tell you what, there's not that many people. I mean, people that read more books than me and certainly not more old books, but you got me...

Paul:

Manley Hall wrote 120 books he started writing when he was 20.

Alex

And I haven't read 120 books ever.

Paul:

It's badass. I haven't read all the way there, man, but I'm on a mission. But no, I got all my old books here for sure.

Alex:

When did you partake in this spiritual medicine?

Paul:

Well, of course, anything I'm talking about in terms of psychedelics is..

Alex:

Allegedly

David:

Hypotheticals.

Paul:

It's just a fictional story I'm telling. I just I To be honest, I just really want to impress you guys, you seem like you're into drugs. So I'm just gonna make up a story just kind of to make myself just got my own yoga guy is totally still hooked. Oh.

Alex:

Allegedly, I got you.

Paul:

By hypothetically in these stories that I make it I've done like hundreds of times, mushrooms and I waspa and a few others. I've been really, really blessed to have some connections to do it legally in a few different places. And it's been here in America actually through native through the Native American church, there's a lot you can do.

And yeah, it's been very eye opening. I've done some other ones too for sure. But I don't know I've had a lot. And I won't really share like the specifics of dates and details, but maybe more so the lessons, the takeaways, if you guys are interested, but uh, yeah, there's a lot especially when it comes to like shifting your picture shifting your responsibility, like we're talking about is that was kind of a big catalyst for me and realizing all this stuff about about you know, and a lot of it is kind of waking up to maybe the true nature of reality, which I believe is that everything is consciousness everything is mind you know, it's a you we swim in a universal universal consciousness of source.

This is what quantum physics is starting to figure out that everything at its fundamental level of reality is some sort of a vibration or a wavelength and this is what hermetic philosophy and Hinduism actually has been saying for thousands of years, that it's all consciousness so when you kind of understand that and psychedelics helps a lot with kind of even just wrapping your head around that and kind of like visualizing I guess what that what that beads. You're like, oh, holy shit. You know, this whole law of attraction thing is just it's kind of baloney. It's like it's not just oh, you think things that it's and it shows up like no, it's more like whatever you are, whatever is going on inside of you is what is in your world like everything around you is your subconscious mind, manifest.

Alex:

Ralph Waldo Emerson once said a man is what he thinks about all day long.

Paul:

Exactly. And but but I always, this is why I like hermetic philosophy because it takes it one step further. And it says a man is what he thinks about all day long, because the world is a manifestation of your internal reality.

What you think about all day long gets embedded deep in your subconscious. And then from a you know, energetic perspective, that is what you are magnetizing into you because everything is energy, including you and me and this glass, you know, it's all made up of a
vibration.

Alex:

Do you think having genetic medicine helps entrepreneurs specifically because it melts the supposed social structures that we all conform to and entrepreneurship kind of lets you deviate from standard paths.

Paul:

Yeah..

David:

Do you?

It sounds like you do.

Paul:

A bit of a loaded question.

Paul:

The fact I do!

David:

Why am I not drinking, this is a good one.

Paul:

I didn't quite benefit from the hypothetical deprogramming of Illuminati control mechanisms. But um...

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Alex:

I will share this along with old books we share I have, allegedly if I did partake in the spiritual medicine that is known as, like the energetics of psychedelics then I've been doing them, supposedly, since I was 16.

David:

Definitely didn't talk to our recruiters about this.

Alex:

Not, I'm not I didn't know what they I didn't know what they were right away. You know, it's like, yeah, you're just screwing around. And the next thing you know, you're like, oh, I have been enlightened, thank you universe.

But I it's not that many people that will come out and openly talk about it yet. Although I think the shift. The cultural shift is certainly in progress and is gaining steam. Have you read Michael Pollan's book, how to change your mind?

Paul:

No, but I've listened to him talk about it on like three or four different podcasts. So I feel like I read it. And I'm really familiar with his work. In general.

Alex:

Yeah, it's, um..

Paul:

I get it. He's into it. You know? I took away from it. I was like I listened to it but on some podcasts, he gets it thumbs up. I was like, okay, sweet.

Alex:

If you're already convinced it's not a book you need but it is a good bridge for the unconvinced to be like, oh wait, there's this isn't screwing around. There's some there's some serious there's real value here.

Paul:

Oh yeah, there is, um, there's also a lot of craziness there and, but in a good way. And I'm like, I don't know, I'm like, okay, I'll share one such experience that I like to bring up to help people understand some of the craziness that you might experience like, one time I had a experience with an intensely psychedelic substance, and in this experience, I encountered the Egyptian Gods and I saw Horace and Osiris and ISIS all standing around me and they were like giants, and I was just this little tiny human just staring up at them. And they looked at me and they said, We have a very important message for you. We have called you here to give you a crucial message for humanity.

I said what it is like. I've waited years for it just like it all. They're like, don't use plastic, plastic is terrible for your health. I said plastic gets around the necks of little animals that it chokes them. It's terrible.

And they said, in a couple years, science will reveal that plastic has been poisoning our water supply, and that we've secretly been contaminating our body with microplastics. And it's gonna be the cause of a lot of our problems. They're like, if you do anything after this day, avoid plastic forever. And I looked at them and I was like, this is the message. You called me that this is it. This is it. They're like yes, this is what we want you to take away from.

From this experience I wasn't what I was expecting. I was not. First of all I didn't know I'd be meeting the Egyptian gods that day. Didn't know they care so much about plastic, but I have been drinking out of glass ever since. So it's, it's still it's these sorts of things that make the psychedelic experience. Like one of my favorite things.

Alex:

It will change life in unexpected ways.

Paul:

Yeah. Sometimes it really is like you're confronting your demons, you're facing your biggest fears. You're changing your whole perspective. And then other times, it's just fucking silly, and it's just fun. And you just have some wild experience. And you're like, why the fuck are the Egyptian gods so obsessed with plastic? But then you start to think about it. You're like, Well, I do drink out a plastic all the fucking time. Maybe. Maybe the Egyptian gods are right, who the fuck knows. But yeah, so I hope that explains some of it.

Alex:

It's very helpful. Yeah, that's very helpful for me.

David:

I'm learning stuff. This is interesting to me.

Paul:

Don't use plastic man, I don't know. I mean, they seem pretty fucking something.

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Alex:

Alright, let's, let's get started. Let me um, let me ask you about the podcast. How have you probably been doing it?

Paul:

I've been podcasting for about five years. I started with a show about jujitsu because I'm really into Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I've been doing Jiu Jitsu for about 10 years. So I didn't know anything about much of anything other than Jiu Jitsu when I started.

And then I learned about all this other stuff that I talked about now. So I did that for like, three, two or three years and then ever since then, then I switched because I realized I had a lot more I'd like to talk about, and I was having a lot of crazy thoughts and kind of epiphanies about some of the things I was learning. And then I switched the topic, and now it's about human evolution. I've been doing that for like, two years, two something years, two and a half years.

Alex:

Is that a guest show? Or is it just you?

Paul:

Um, it's a little bit of both. It's like half and half, I would say.

David:

Yeah, so it looks like..

Alex:

Dude, just be yourself, man. I'll tell you what, I tried to do a podcast about two years ago. And I bombed it. It was terrible. I'm not good. I'm thankful for David Pere so much, because he does all the work in the show. I just love where you're at and yell, it's amazing. It's a fantastic fit for me. But David does all the work. I couldn't deal with the production. But the way I started because...

David:

Ironically, and I'm going to throw this out there because I think it's hilarious. And I've never said it over recording. But ironically, his podcast was to take a group of entrepreneurs who looked like they might have some success in life, and then interview them all and then interviewed them again and then interview them again and see who quit and who made it. But we never got to find out because the podcast host quit.

Paul:

Damn, that’s how you know.

Damn...

Alex:

And then you hired me.

David:

I brought him on because he's really a good host, but I totally understand where he's coming from. Because doing this on your own sucks, sometimes..

Paul:

Yeah solo shows can be tough, especially if you're just getting started.

I don't know if I like them sometimes. I don't, it depends. If I have something I want to say then solo show, you know.

Alex:

Good for you.

That's good for you. That's awesome. And it gives you so much power because you don't need the other person to produce you can predict content just totally. That's so powerful.

Paul:

Yeah, it's been fun man and also from a you know marketing perspective it allows me to target a certain keyword given the some you know, keyword that I'm trying to rank for our YouTuber, Google or something, you know, I can make a show about that topic, specifically.

Alex:

So let me ask you about that. Let me just dive into that you make yeah, you make any money in the podcast and you and as your YouTube monetized?

Paul:

No, I do. I don't make any money directly from the show. Although I do have a course I just launched a beta program for my course. Which, you can check out the website. But uh, we'll let you plug. But uh, sounds good. But um, what was I gonna say? But no, but I did make a lot of money from the network. And that's really the power of it is the network that you get from podcasting. I was told that David seems to agree.

Yeah. Like, I mean, just like my very first client ever that I have for my marketing agency was my friend Sebastian, who I met through the podcast. I had him in my pot, my jujitsu show that I used to do. We talked about yoga, because he does a yoga website for jujitsu, guys, and, and then he just hit me up a few months later, he was like, Hey, man, I really like what you're doing on social media to promote your show. Can you come do that for my website, and I'll pay you?

And I was like, Oh, I was Mind blown. I was like, holy shit. I didn't even realize that like, you could get paid for that stuff. I was like, oh my God. Sounds great. So then I worked with him for like almost a year. And then I started taking on more clients and doing social media management. And then I moved into what I do now, which is like WordPress, because I learned how to build websites with WordPress sites. And I do like paid advertising like Facebook ads and stuff like that.

David:

Yeah, I tell people all the time, like the two things for a podcast that everybody talks about making money, right like, sure, okay, you can make some money like I most of my like 90% of my sponsorship is me talking about my own crap. Yeah, like Oh hey, you should go check this out and I just did it because someone once told me like you should have a sponsor even if there's not a sponsor so your audience gets used to it so even if it's you but like the money that I'm like the money in the podcast like yeah, you can make money through ads you can make money through whatever but it's its credibility because you have a podcast which instant credibility and it's the fact that like for me it's been I can get like, let's you will use I don't know Bill Allen, for example, because some of the real estate guys know Bill Allen, he's successful. He's got a big business, he's a super super busy man. You can't get on the dude schedule, right? Like one of those guys where if you want 45 minutes of his time, you got to pay to get the forty five minutes of his time.

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David:

But I had him on the podcast twice because people who are not willing or able to lock out an hour to have a conversation with you because of how valuable their time is. And they don't, they can't afford an hour to pick your brain and will afford an hour to be in a podcast because it's an instant, like there's something in it for them too. And you get to ask them all the questions you would want anyway, and then you get in, and then we hosted a conference together like they're the networking pieces is just incredible.

So anyway, if you saw me like shaking my headphones off my head when he said that, like, that's it right there.

Paul:

100%. And that's so I haven't made really that much from the show. But I made a ton from the network. But well, the key is, I can't go, you can't ever go to it with that intention. Because then people can tell, like if I came in here, and I was secretly in the back of my head being like, these guys look like they need a fucking website. You know? That's what I was gonna secretly pitch you on that right after we hopped off this call that that's what you guys can smell that from a mile away. So I have no such intent. I'm just here to have fun.

David:

And yet somebody will hear the show and potentially reach out about a website.

Alex:

Yeah, I do need a new website though, actually, uh..

Paul:

I don't know anyone.

I don't know who you should talk to.

Alex:

But you know, I want to tie this into what you said in the very beginning, about self responsibility and entrepreneurship. And like, you know, there's so many people listening to this show. And they look at, people like David and probably me, and they're like, Man, you guys are massive content producers. And I think to myself, and I'm like, dude, so many more people should be producing content that just won't. It's such an entrepreneurial practice. If nothing else, it's just good GD practice is going to grow over time, right? This internet fat isn't going away. I don't know if you noticed.

And the barrier to entry is like, zero, like literally zero. And so I just love that you're like, look, I just did this thing because I liked it. And it affords me all these crazy opportunities because you invested your soul into it. And so I know that well, of course it takes time but you know, like you said in that I didn't want to do it for money, I was gonna do it anyways. And so that's how I base that's how I do everything. I don't do anything in this world for money, I do what I'm going to do. And then I do it so damn good that people can't afford not paying me. They can't live without me. But like you said from the beginning, right, I need if there's an entrepreneur about, you know, social media. I don't like not everybody's marketing, but content production these things are so easy to do and something...

Paul:

Oh, yeah. And that's the thing is like, and that's what I try to tell people is like, first of all, if you are already an expert at something, you can accelerate that learning curve tremendously, like I've been doing my show for like two years, but I feel like I've only become a real expert on the things that I've been talking about. And maybe the last like six months, six to eight months is when I feel like okay, I know my shit. And now I feel like I'm at the level where I'm like, okay, if I don't share the information that I have, I'm not creating, I'm doing a disservice because I've got a lot of because I've been doing a lot of research these last two years, but the way I did the research was inviting experts on my show. And then two years later, I'm an expert and now my shows are doing really well. And now anytime I do a solo show, people love it. Whereas a year ago if I did a solo show people might have been like, yeah, you know, so right. But I wasn't an expert.

David:

That’s a great point. People think you have to be an expert to talk about something but I started just documenting. It was like, yeah, and as I've gone along, like, well, Alex, I reached out to you, you saw me post on Facebook the other day saying, hey, who knows a cost segregation and opportunity's own expert because I want to know more about that. I've done a little bit of research. I'm still lost on some stuff. So what's the best way? Oh, yeah, I get someone on the show who's an expert and I learned by interviewing them and then all my all my audience gets something out of it, too. And it's huge. And then yeah, now I know. And yeah...

Alex:

It sounded cool when Paul said it when you say to...

David:

shut up, I'll mute you.

Yeah, you get people that know what they're talking about and you learn, it's the best way to learn.

Paul:

Exactly man and, and you just got to be authentic. But I guess the other flip side of that coin is like if there's someone listening to this who wants to get into content creating, and maybe they got laid off from a job or they have a skill, if you are an expert already, you can cut the whole journey down by half because if you're already an expert, let's say you're a chiropractor, or you're a doctor, or you're a massage therapist, or you're a yoga teacher, or I don't know, a lawyer, you could fucking anyone, honestly, if you have a skill and you're an expert, and you go into a podcast and you're a YouTube channel, like you're gonna be, you're gonna be expert from day one, and you're gonna have a better show.

So, so it's gonna go faster, you know, like, it's not going to take you maybe two years like it has for me, might take you six months before you build a follower.

You know, so that's something I think people are sleeping on right now. There are a lot of people who are out of work or looking for opportunity, and they're an expert in something and they're not doing anything with that expertise.

35:00 - 40:00

Alex:

Yeah, I agree with that. And you know, some people like me, I'm an expert in a lot of things, but I, you know, I'm just too humble to put it out there. But I think Paul doesn't know me. He doesn't no joke.

David:

I was like, I.. Okay okay..

David:

Everybody's good at something. And they should. And, you know, my brother and I sat down when we can, we found this stupid channel about a YouTube up this dingdong out of Sweden, restoring old junk on the internet like old junk that he was eating a cell. He's just restoring it for the sake of it right? And it's super intricate. And it's like a 40 minute bit about him restoring some tissue like little you know, benchtop vise or whatever the case from that is never going to be used again. Right? But I'm like, I'm just enamored. The guy doesn't talk. He doesn't show his face. He just shows me like, Oh, he's cleaning it up with a wire brush and stuff. And I'm sitting there like, I can't get enough of this thing is that 2.6 million view all these things and I'm like, dude, people are sleeping. My dad watches people smoking food. The smokers, he just watches people cook food. I'm like, Are you kidding me? Are you gonna eat it? No, you're just watching him cook his food, like the amount of people that will both watch to learn stuff and just voyeurism for expertise in other fields, the amount of people that will do this is extraordinarily high. And so if you have if you're good at something, go produce that content immediately.

Paul:

Yeah, exactly. And like we were saying before, even if you don't make money from the show, um, which is probably going to happen eventually, if you just keep at it probably would have been one of those one of these days.

Feel you can make, you've got so many opportunities from the network that you build. And if you are looking for work, what better way what sounds better, hey, are you hiring, or hey, want to come on my podcast, and then after you talk to them for an hour and connect, then you mentioned hey, you are hiring, which of those sounds better?
value, people, there's a podcast,

David:

You won't even have to ask people to come to you.

Paul:

Yeah, exactly. So there's so much opportunity these days, and I guess what I'm getting at with, you know, personal responsibility and entrepreneurship is like, I'm not saying every single person on planet Earth right now should start a business and become an it's gonna, they're gonna be millionaires or anything like that. No, I'm saying, get creative, get entrepreneurial. There's so many opportunities out there, there, you're probably leaving money on the table in some way.

So, when people realize that it's gonna be, it's gonna be very empowering. It's gonna be a very creative thing. It's gonna be, and especially when everyone starts to say, oh, you too, you're realizing this too. You guys are realizing everything. I'm realizing too much about podcasting and how great it is. Wow, crazy. And now we can say, okay, cool. Let's stay in touch. Let's help each other going forward. Maybe guys come on my show, you know, so it's it's, uh.

Alex:

I Accept!

Paul:

let's do it. Hell yeah, but anyway, I’ve talked a lot.

David:

Oh man, this is good.

Alright, so we said 45 minutes and we're probably around there. So I've got a couple questions that I always ask every guest

Paul:

Sounds good.

David:

All right, the first one is if an E one e two or just a youngster walked up to you asking you for advice on in life, what would be the one thing you would have to tell them?

Paul:

Man, I would tell them don't listen to anyone's advice unless you want to be like that person and have their level.

I’ve thought about this. I've gotten this question before, so I didn't just come up with that. I've thought about it. But uh but no, for real, like, my mentor taught me my mentor Alex Sharp and he said, don't listen to anyone unless you want to become like that person and like, like down to the tee like, what's their family life? Like? Do they have kids? Where do they live? What do they eat? You know, how's their health? Like? What do they do every day? Like don't listen to advice unless you want to become like that person.

So like to E one. Don't listen to your colonels advice, unless you want to become a colonel, if you want to have a career in the military, and if you want to be a colonel and you want to get promoted, then fuck yeah, listen to your colonels advice, but if you know the Army's not for you, and you decide this isn't your path, you better start listening to Tony Robbins or Grant Cardone, or Russell Brunson or you guys or someone who's thinking outside the box, who's gonna set you up for life outside. You know what I mean?

People are like always trying to get out of the military and leave and they're still listening to their superiors who are still in the military. Those people don't know. They haven't left.

David:

It's funny you say that you don't really say anything. We don't know much about me or my story, but I'm going to the reserves next year, is the plan.

40:00 - 45:00

David:

I'm at 12 years in, I'll be at 13. I plan on going to the reserves and it's been not an easy decision. It's still a bit of a roller coaster. But the lens I've filtered a lot of that through is by going, okay, well, this person saying this, and this person saying this, but who do I want to be in 10 years, I think that's, I think that's and that was not an idea that I came to on my own. That was an idea, someone you know, mentioned like, well, okay, but if you've got these groups telling you this, which one do you want to be? And I'm like, Yeah, yeah, like so.

Paul:

So I think that just to just take a quick pause and take you down a hippy rabbit trail for a moment. I think that this for real is what's happening. That was an obscure, abstract way to think about that question, but that's my mentor's idea that he taught to me. We've never met before, but you got the exact same lesson. It's happening collectively, you know, from a different person. These thoughts, these epiphanies are we're all having their collective we're having them together. The more I talk to people, the more I get convinced of that. We're having these same epiphanies, but almost telepathically.

Alex:

You think that the people that you're interacting with are more and more aligned with your ideas?

Paul:

100% oh yeah.

Alex:

So maybe it's not we all maybe it's you're getting into a smaller niche of people with the same mindset.

Paul:

I mean like when I go out to the grocery store or the gas station and I talked to a random ass person they're reading this they're into the same shit that I'm into when we get to actually talking or I go to a I go out you know, I random strangers is more what I mean like, yeah, I have my own friend group for sure. And we all know, are similarly minded on things. We disagree on stuff for sure. But you get what I'm saying.

But, but no, I mean, like when I just go out and I'm just hanging out meeting a new person or running into someone or I connect with someone randomly on Facebook and hit him up. It's like, oh, you're, you're on, you're reading the same book I was, yesterday. Sweet. How, what a coincidence. Like that kind of stuff is what I mean. Like, down to the tee of like, oh man, what are you working? What are you reading this week? I'm reading this book. Oh, what? How odd I am too. Yes. Stuff like that. It happens to me..

Even more odd given what you read.

Paul:

Yeah happens regularly in my life and you're right it could be...

David:

You're not reading Harry Potter like everyone else you're reading, you know, unique books. So..

Paul:

I read that's what I'm saying. I read crazy books and I talk to people like oh, yeah, I read that craziest book last week. What a coincidence, huh. And the book that talks about how there's no coincidences and it's all energy, that book right yeah.

That's the thing is that the topics in general on which we are in alignment on is the topic of you know, it's all consciousness. It's all we attract each other. Does that make sense? But anyway, I derailed your questions.

David:

I like it. Alright, so next question.

Paul:

I'm sorry.

David:

It's gonna be an interesting one because you've already mentioned a million of them but resources like what is one resource, book, course, website? Whatever that you would recommend anybody looking to get into like an entrepreneurship business?

Paul:

Oh man entrepreneurship in business. You gotta be..

David:

And we can touch on a philosophy book too.

Paul:

I'll give one business one philosophy. So business, if you haven't got to read Tim Ferriss, four hour workweek, I mean, that's like the Bible of the entrepreneurial mindset..

David:

Right there above my head on the wall.

Paul:

It’s one of the best. And then philosophy I would say. I would say read you've all know Harare, his books. I don't know if you've heard of him. He's the guy who wrote yeah, dude. He's the guy who wrote..

David:

That one Alex's favorites.

Paul:

Yeah, man, Hamadeas and Sapiens. I mean, he's a big inspiration behind my show. Like Hamadeas is like the Bible for my show. One of one of the Bible's for my show, for sure.

David:

Don't get Alex on your show. Do you guys you might not be able to get them off.

Paul:

Sounds great we'll have to do that for now.

Alex:

Sapiens is an incredible is an incredible book that everybody everybody who's a homosapiens should read oh yeah about about about us in a way that no other book talks about humanity not from a culture perspective but from a from a a species perspective.

Paul:

That guy's a brilliant man, he's...

David:

I love how you say that and I love that somebody's not gonna know if they're a homosapien. They're not gonna read that book, like is that me?

Alex:

Yeah, well..

David:

He said I’m homo, I am straight. What? No, that's not what we're talking about.
Alex:

Okay, nobody thought that but you just...

David:

Oh my gosh.

Alex:

Nobody thought that David, only you.

Paul:

Facebook prevented me. I wanted to name my Facebook page beyond homosapien. But Facebook wouldn't let me because they said it's a sexist Hate, hate slur.

45:00 - 49:29

Alex:

Damn.

David:

Wow. So I guess everybody thought that except for you, Alex, you big it.

I don't know how that makes you a big.

Alex:

I don't know that there's a scientific term..

David:

Largest social community in the world and me. I'll take that on my team.

Alex:

Well, Dan Paul, that's actually fascinating that they flagged you for being..

Paul:

Yeah, so now Paul Tokgozoglu was my facebook page.

Alex:

Yeah. That's fascinating.

David:

That Yeah, that's I wouldn't have..

Paul:

Yeah, Facebook dog. I don't know what to say. Fucking, losers. Losers, man. I got Zach man, It's cool. But Zach's done a lot of good for me. So it's alright. I'll forget it. I'll forgive it. Whatever.

David:

Alright, so the third and final really intense question is just where can people get a hold of you plug your course in your website.

Paul:

Yeah, sure. So I've got a course right now called Phoenix. It's in its beta stage. I'm about to relaunch it. The course is set to help people who are going through a difficult life transition and looking to kind of have some resources and support for you know, fixing yourself is basically getting your shit together and emerging as a phoenix so you can go to beyondhomosapien.com/Phoenix and check that out. It's only 55 bucks right now I'm going to relaunch it and raise that price to the fucking moon, man. It's gonna be like 10,000.

Alex:

As if, as if I haven't, yeah, as if your story hasn't spoken to me enough. I love the Phoenix metaphor. More than almost any other like a Greek myth. The Phoenix metaphor is just a beautiful, just an amazing way to look at life.

Paul:

Well, thanks, man. I appreciate it. And you might check out the book Phoenix by Manley Hall, which I am also about to start reading but uh, but anyway, um, yeah. And then just be on homosapien.com, be on a homosapien podcast wherever podcasts are sold, and download it for free. And yeah, thanks guys, and I'm on YouTube. I don't know. I'm everywhere. Everywhere I know where I was just like all of us, but much appreciated guys.

David:

Except you say that. And Alex is about to be everywhere that you are as a leeches.

Paul:

Whoa, dog. No, please. I'm looking for something real. Let's do a show maybe in August sometime. I'm busy. I'm booked for August.

David:

Yeah, I like it. I would listen to that podcast as long as you talk shit to Alex to not just let him rant.

Paul:

It's gonna be fun.

David:

Paul, thank you so much for joining us today and I'm gonna let Alex do the outro because he stole the intro and he's hosting. So Alex, what are you doing?

Alex:

I prepared for the intro. So okay, this was our show. This was Paul Tokgozoglu. He's been a fantastic guest. I basically ran the show. You are welcome, David, my fabulous co-host. Thank you for coming. We will see you in the next episode.

David:

Paul, this has been a blast.

End:

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Paul Tokgozoglu on The Military Millionaire Podcast

Episode: 105

Paul Tokgozoglu

Join Alex, David Pere, and Paul Tokgozoglu as they talk about personal choices and books. Paul shared his personal experience in the military and what he did in the camp. He also shared his knowledge about how he ended up being a podcast host and getting his business. Listen in and get inspired by Paul’s story!

In this episode, you’ll learn:

  • The importance of niching down your business
  • How to scale your business using paid advertising
  • The importance of personal responsibilities and life choices
  • The power of “old” knowledge
  • And much more!

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Paul Tokgozoglu is a digital marketer and podcast host. Paul is also involved in a project to revolutionize the education industry using the power of Artificial Intelligence. Two years ago, Paul began working as a social media marketer specialized in martial arts and fitness markets. Over time, he has entered into the business coaching and consulting industries where he has helped entrepreneurs scale their businesses and grow their audiences using paid advertising, organic marketing, and email campaigns.

Paul also hosts the Beyond Homo Sapien Podcast about how emerging technology and opportunities are advancing the species into a new age of human prosperity.

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You can find Paul Tokgozoglu on…

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