Episode 178 | Jason Drees | Military Millionaire

00:00 - 05:00

David:

What's up Military Millionaires! I'm your host David Pere, I’m here with my co host the ever fabulous Alex Felice. And today we have, well, a special treat. We have Jason Drees on the show, which I'm super excited about.

So Jason's and Go Abundance with me and I've gotten to do a, we've done like a mindset micro tribe call for the last couple of months, that's been really cool. And really helped me think outside my box, so to speak, as well as some financial mindset stuff. It's been really eye opening for me just those few calls. And obviously, he's run around the BiggerPockets circuit just published Do The Impossible. Through the BiggerPockets worlds. He's done over 5000 hours of coaching over 10,000 coaching sessions. And he is the mindset guy in the real estate space, I think. And I know, he's not real estate specific, but just I think, just kind of skews that way because of the people he's found himself around.

This is super exciting to me. And I'm really excited to have you on the show, Jason. So welcome, buddy!

Intro:

Welcome to the Military Millionaire podcast where we teach service members, veterans and their families how to build wealth through personal finance, entrepreneurship, and real estate investing. I'm your host, David Pere. And together with my co host, Alex Felice. We're here to be your no BS Guides along the most important mission, you'll ever embark on your finances.

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Jason:

Thanks, David. Thanks for the invite. The real estate guy. It's kind of funny. I'm not even in real estate. But I'm excited to talk to you guys.

David:

You want to give, I don't know that I've ever actually asked you the background. How did you get into coaching? And I mean, obviously, this is kind of blown up for you over the last few years it appears but yeah, I'd love to hear the backstory on that.

Jason:

Yeah, I was in sales. You know, I dropped out of civil engineering. That was never going to happen. Went into sales, was in business to business technology sales for a long time. I found my first startup company, which manufactured race car driver cooling suits. Believe it or not, we made these cool suits, these shirts with bladders and stuff like that.

And then I was looking to accelerate the business. I hired a Tony Robbins coach. And after hiring a Tony Robbins coach, one day, my coach asked me, have you ever thought about becoming a coach? And that day, I remember it clearly was in 2012. I was like, I got struck by lightning. And ever since that day, I'm like, I knew I was going to become a coach.

Alex:

That's fascinating. That was just like that. You never thought about it. And then you thought about it. And it worked!

Jason:

Yeah, it was like being struck by lightning. I said, I know I'm going to be a coach. I didn't know how I started going that direction. And literally six months later, I was invited into the Tony Robbins coach training program.

David:

It's funny how the world works like that.

Alex:

Lucky.

Jason:

Lucky? I don't know. It wasn't easy getting here, right there was like, now from there to here, which was hard, right? It's probably the hardest thing I've ever done. You know, I had people telling me you're crazy. Why you leave a good bank paying tech sales job? Why are you doing this? And I just, and I realized that, like literally in 2014. We were on food assistance from the state. We had two small boys under two boys under age four. You know, my wife comes home from the grocery store saying her card was declined and somebody bought us groceries, you know. And I realized that and I was pressured by everybody to get a job and I tried to get a job. It wasn't really landing him at that time. I didn't want one. But I realized if I had given up on becoming a coach, I would be lowering my standard for the rest of my life. But more importantly, I would be lowering the standard for two young boys for their entire life.

So I knew that I was supposed to call on this path because I knew that I had more potential that I was supposed to be playing life at. And being in a sales job was not bringing that out.

The coaching was bringing it out. So I knew I had no choice but to go that way.

05:00 - 10:00

Alex:

How do you tell somebody that thinks that they're supposed to do something, but that's obviously scary. And you have, you know, you have a lot of short and midterm responsibilities, and the whole world is gonna call you crazy.

You know, I've been somewhat successful at finding my own way, but not as successful as I know that I could be. And there's things that I maybe not avoid, but it's scary.And I know, I also know that here in hindsight, it's very easy to seem convicted, but at the time, it must have been a very, very difficult sort of path.

Jason:

It was extremely difficult.

Alex:

Can you expand on that a little more?

Jason:

On what to tell somebody else? Is that what your question is? Or like, the path?

Alex:

Yeah, like, how do you? Yeah, like, how do you know that you're right, and everybody else in your social group that's telling you to do something else is wrong. That's not an easy way to go.

Jason:

It's not.

And we have two primary sources of information as a human being, we get, we get thinking, and we get knowing, right. Thinking and knowing one of these is socially conditioned, because your brain is literally a computer that catalogs everything that's put into it now. And you end up living your life moving forward, based on the past. That's one of the challenges.

But there's also that calling inside you. Some of us hear it more loudly than other people do. But the fact is, we were all born to be great. We're conditioned to be average. And we're wired to avoid pain, right? So it's like this weird combination. But that's the journey of being a human right, is growth and expansion. And it really just comes down to if you go forward 20 years, 30 years, 40 years, and you don't give it all you've got? How are you going to feel, right?

So everybody has to tackle that journey themselves. Because literally, every person, the way I like to think about this is everybody is climbing their own mountain, climbing a mountain, right, here's a mountain. And you're drawing, and I'm climbing the Jason mountain and, and you're climbing the, you know, the Alexander mountain and David, David mountain. And we're all giving each other advice, but we're all in different mountains, then you've got the bottom of the mountains, right? where everybody's average is hanging out. Why are you going up there, you could fall right? So you get the collective is average, if you're average, your life is going to suck, right? But if you're average, there are TV shows to show you your average, there are medications, their special pills to make you feel better. But there isn't any support to be great. Greatness is like a choice. Like, are you going to play at your full potential? Or are you going to be average? And to do that you have to conquer all the fears about climbing that mountain. And no one is going to notice you're climbing the mountain when you're at the bottom. And it may take years and years and people be like, What are you doing up there that's subleasing your time. You've been on that side of the mountain for like two years, what are you doing? Come down here. I know, I'm supposed to be up there. Because then when you get to the top, the other person's far away, right? Because the next mountain is way over here. So it's hard to see the other people climbing the mountain. But we all have that potential in us.

David:

I like that analogy.

And I liked that you mentioned that like 40 years from now, what are you going to regret? So when I was a recruiter for the military, you know, people are always this that the others and family members are always trying to tell their kids not to go in the military. And there's all this pressure. And that was actually one of the ways that I used to frame it for him was like, Well, look, man, as you're thinking through this just 30 years from now, are you going to regret joining? Or are you going to regret never trying? And you know, whichever one of those you think is going to be the one that you regret more like? Well, there's your answer. So it's cool, it's a cool way to think through it.

Jason:

It is and I was actually on a team call with my coaches a couple hours ago, and I was talking to them that, you know, right now, life's pretty intense for me, you know, the business is growing.

Besides business, I have four boys under age 11 and 11, 9, 6, and 4, and they're awesome. And I love them. And it's a lot at home. At the same time the business is growing at or close to three. We went from like one employee to 30 employees in like 18 months. I got a live event next week. I'm writing my second book right now. And I'm managing the team and all this stuff at the same time. It's overwhelming, but I was talking to my team and I was like, it's completely and totally overwhelming right now what I'm doing, like to the point where I stop and I just breathe just so intense. What else do I want to do? No, because what I've discovered is that the satisfaction of knowing that I'm playing at my absolute potential is far more satisfying than any reward, any money. It's the most satisfying thing in life. And the only person who will understand that is me. It's this the only person And we'll know what it's like to be me is me. So that's really the most satisfying thing. And once I tasted that, that's what matters to me. Do I give it all I've got?

10:00 - 15:00

Alex:

It's inherently like a, like a lonely road, because it's you, like you said, it's like, when you do what's right for you.

Jason:

Every buddy's path is different. The only true guidance you get is from yourself. And your guidance may completely contradict social conditioning, and what everyone else says to do. So really, the biggest obstacle to following your own path is everything that you've been conditioned to believe is true. All of your business experience, all of your success, all of your schooling, all of your old, your old success models that you used in the past, all of that stuff is literally the limitations of your future.

David:

That's super cool.

Yeah, you know, it's interesting when you talk about, like, the mental limitations, right, because I felt this way, a lot over the last few years. Like, almost like there's a governor, right, that was put on me by myself, probably, you know, and I've used that analogy before, where it's like, you know, you know, the car could go 150 miles an hour, but it's stopping at 110. Well, why? Well, because there's this one little piece of code. That's telling it, that's enough, and without taking that out. And I felt that before with not going all in on various things in life. And one of the things that I've really struggled with over the last couple of years is that I'm finally getting a little bit better at its imposter syndrome. And man that has held me back so much just going around, oh, you know, nobody's gonna, nobody's gonna read this. Who’s gonna care if I talk about this? Or say this thing? And, you know, it's funny, when you look back on some of those things. You're like, wow, why did I let that little fear or little inhibition stop me from doing this so much sooner?

Jason:

Would you like me to turn around impostor syndrome for you for the rest of your life right now, at this moment David?

David:

Yes.

Jason:

Imposter syndrome, basically means your success that you've created in life has outgrown and outpaced your identity of yourself. So impostor syndrome is a fantastic thing.

Alex:

Definitely what I’m thinking about right now.

Jason:

It is true, right? Like I've created more success than I think I should have. That means that's good, right? That's a good thing!

Now, let's let my identity catch up. But then we all have that like, like, literally the biggest obstacle, and I'm really starting to explore this idea of like, when you start living your life, because so many, like not good enough is the core human condition. And everyone has to deal with it. And some people will go their whole lives, there's no, there's no neutralizing or solving not good enough. It's just a part of you. That's just the way it is.

And we all like, come into our own, like, you know, we all we all end up shut down. Like you said that you live kind of shut down for a long time. I remember when I was in eighth grade, graduated junior high. I got my yearbook. And I'm like, Okay, this is cool. I'm going to high school, you know, because of my high school, junior high was 6,7,8. And then everybody was signing my yearbook. And I get home, I start reading my yearbook. And everybody says, You're weird. Jason. You're weird. You're strange. And I was like, Wait a second, I'm being me. I'm having fun. How can I possibly be weird? And I realized in that moment, the way I was being was not getting the response I wanted for other people. So starting in high school, I started shutting down who I am. And I started adapting my behavior to get people to respond to me in a different way. And that was literally in 1990, 89-90. And I would say, I probably didn't come out of that till literally 2013, literally 10 years ago, because so many of us are living our lives, in self judgment and resistance. Like your life doesn't begin until you stop judging the vehicle that you're in, the vessel. When you get to self acceptance, then life starts to begin.

Alex:

How much do you consider yourself rebellious in nature?

Jason:

Extremely, a ton. I'm a mismatcher.

Alex:

Yeah.

So I'm resonating with this. And I feel like I'm a deeply rebellious person. So I feel like I identify with a lot of these, like a lot of what you're saying. And I wonder if it's sort of I'm wondering now if it sort of takes some of that. And I wonder how much of that is like, it affects people, some more than others. Some people are more naturally inclined to be like, Okay, I'm right, I really was wrong. And I can be me and you don't have to like it. And the world will work out for me because of that early and then some people have to force it more.

15:00 - 20:00

Jason:

Well, we all have different personality styles.

Like from a coaching perspective, the most commonly one I've seen in coaching, it's called disc profiles. And if I look at disc profiles, one of my traits is I'm a high I DISC profile, high I’s talk a lot. It also makes me read emotions in people. easily, but it also makes me want everybody to like me. Like I just want no matter what, how much self acceptance I do, I still want people to like me at the same time one of my values is independence. So I strive to do it my own way, my own way. But at the same time, I want people to like me. And everybody has a unique personality style they're operating from which is their greatest strength and their greatest handicap at the same time.

David:

I'm so glad you said that.

I know disc profile well enough, you're probably like 100 and million D and then like, I don't know. 70 I. So D is like the drive like the driver, the go, go, go, go. Whatever. John's has a super high D. So that type of personality. I am very similar. Sounds like Jason which is super, super, super high I . And then I'm probably like a 67 D and none of the others.

Jason:

Yeah, none of the others turn the toilet for me.

David:

And it's cool to hear you say that because that is something like Alex calls me out on it every now and then. And I think it is because of the personality difference because Alex sees it and he's like, Dude, why do you care? And it's like, I'm trying not to care. I'm trying so hard not to care, but it's there like no matter what, you know, like there's still this piece of me that cares, you know, like I want people to like me and it's a weird thing to try to battle to be like, No, don't care about that opinion. But I really do, I just..

Jason:

But coupled with that is your ability to read people.

Alex:

I played this game with David where I teased him and then he explained himself why he did the thing that I'm teasing about and then I won.

Jason:

Yeah, but he also can always win you over anytime he wants to. Because high I’s. High D, because I'm actually high D and high I’s.

D’s are like freight trains, right? But high I’s are like they're literally wired into the emotions of other people. So they can win over anybody.

Alex:

You said use this in coaching like do you find it valuable to do you think other people should use these personality tests, I find myself coming back to them more and more as the years goes by. They're sort of flawed, obviously. But they can provide a lot of self insight into self awareness. So I'm curious how much it like is it a cornerstone something for your information? Or is it something that's useful for everybody should should more people be paying attention to learning sort of how they and other people are?

Jason:

It was more of a cornerstone in the old coaching style I used to operate from because I didn't know how to shape reality like I do now, which is above personality.

Because now I'm coaching at the level above mindset. It's a great validation of who you are. Certain personality styles will be radically helped by understanding how they are because there are certain styles that have opposing energies. And when they understand that they can be a lot more efficient. Disc profile I think is great. Everybody should take a DISC profile, because it helps understand your style. And when you're a leader, understanding the DISC profile of your team helps you learn how to communicate in a way that other people can hear. Like we run disc profiles on our nanny's.

David:

That's cool.

I love the DISC profile. And so you know, obviously you can. You can also look at it and kind of determine, like a high I, high D is, is generally you're a better salesman, right? That kind of personality. I'm sure there's a difference. But I've actually been joking. Not really joking, but saying for years and I've got a couple of friends at the Recruiting Command for the Marine Corps that I'm trying to like nudge this way to say hey, if you guys want to actually succeed as recruiters like and the mission you should have all of the top recruiters in the entire country take the DISC profile, they're all going to have probably right around to the exact same personality and then you just have everybody who gets promoted to the rank that you require take that test and those are the people you pull because right now recruiting is like your it, your it, your it, your it and then they wonder why half the people show up and they're like nobody wants to be this guy so nobody's talking to him about the military.

Jason:

Yeah, when you understand this you understand how to motivate people, right? D’s want control, I’s want connection, S wants stability and C’s want rules and standards right? So you can really easily shift your audience and find their motivation that way.

Alex:

Okay, I don't want rules. I know that more than anything in the whole world. I don't want any rules. I want to break rules. As soon as I see them. I'm just putting that out there.

Jason:

Yes, my C is also basically negative. My life is chaos because of the lack of that. So I have people on my team that are high there to balance my EA, who like is my savior in my life. She's the opposite of me. So she helps manage because I can't keep track of shit.

20:00 - 25:00

David:

Same, my EA, ironically, I don't say we butt heads but like personality wise, there's a little bit of, you know, I think because of that, like, she is a very high S C. And, you know, sometimes that I'm like, yeah, I have to remind myself like, okay, just exactly what needs to happen, outlaid. You know, we're good.

Can I go back real quick? So you said something about now you're coaching at the level above mindset. And I'm curious what that level is, I don't know that I've ever heard anyone articulate that before.

Jason:

It is the level of the above mindset.

You know, life is changing, right? Life is changing. Like, our society is changing. But life itself is different than it was five years ago, 10 years ago. Like, have you noticed now that personal growth is no longer optional, right?

I remember like in the 90s, you could ignore your personal growth for five years and just stuff it in the closet, right. But now it's not, personal growth is like there. And this process I discovered, on how to coach above that level started about five to seven years ago. But the simple way to describe it is, let's just imagine I was creating a diagram here, I'm going to give you a simple diagram.

So for example, let's say we've got a small circle that says action, right? As human beings, when we want something we know we need to take an action, action will get us what we want.

Now, if we know what the action is, it works. But what happens if we're not getting what we want, the action is not working, we need to think about it differently. So we have one circle here. Now let's have a bigger circle around that. Well, the bigger circle, we'll call that mindset, right? So action and mindset. So the actions you take are based on mindset, right? Your mind, right? It controls your hands. So your mindset determines the ideas, the thoughts, the experience, the strategies that you were able to execute.

Now, if you are trying to do something you haven't done before, I'm trying to get a second income. I'm trying to buy a property, I'm trying to raise money, I haven't done it before. I don't know how that is beyond your mindset. You don't know what the strategy is. And a lot of times we start copying other people's strategies and things like that. What I've noticed, though, is that life responds to us, right? Have you ever noticed life responds to you, there's times when life goes great, and you can't lose, and there's times that life sucks, and you can't win? I've discovered what I believe is how life responds to you. And if we kind of regress back to seventh grade science class, we're all made of atoms, which is pure energy, which is 99.999% free space, right? It's not even solid, which is really hard to comprehend. We know where pure energy is. So does it make sense that this being of a person of pure energy that is interacting with this reality, that's also pure energy responds to them. Does that make sense? Well, sure, right. And then we call it the law of attraction. Yes. Am I talking about the law of attraction? Yes. But I don't use the law of attraction. Because when I hear the law of attraction, I think about meditating in the front yard and waiting for the Amazon truck to show up, right? That's not how life works. It's a full process.

So what I discovered is like, you know, you've got action, you've got mindset. And before I started to access this level above that, that's the only way I could coach. Well, if the action wasn't working, you need to find an off market deal. Okay, well, how are you gonna find one? While you're like, I could knock on doors and cold call? Well, okay, well, they go cold call, the client would say I don't like cold calling. And I'd say why not? They say because I don't like rejection. And then I would say, Well, what kind of man are you going to be if you don't cold call, right? So I would force negative leverage, use negative leverage to force misaligned action, right? Because that resistance to cold calling is an intuitive resistance to that, it's misalignment, right?

So what I discovered is that we've got action, we've got mindset, there's another circle around it, which I call frame. Frame is the frequency of you. And I know I'm jumping around, but I'll loop it together. So the frequency of you determines your thoughts like we've had times when you're in a happy mood, you have happy thoughts and sad moods, you have sad thoughts, right? So the frequency of you as a being determines the thoughts you have, which determines the actions you take. What I've also discovered is that the frequency of you is how life responds to you.

So to get what you want, all you have to do is align your frame with the frequency of you. And what happened is that our brains think that action creates your reality. But what it's actually backwards, your reality creates your action. So the old coaching model, when I didn't have access to frame I would coach people on mindset and action over and over again, just force action. Now what I do is I literally ignore action, and move the client into a frame that's aligned with what they want. Because as soon as the frame is aligned, it creates an aligned mindset that generates the right strategy that generates the right action. It's automatic, it's shameless because the law of attraction literally is the frequency of you, as a vibrational frequency of you as a human being determines the thoughts you're having. And that determines the ideas and the strategies. And the actions you'll take.

25:00 - 30:00

Alex:

Is this sort of a really elaborate way of saying, I don't mean to oversimplify it, I'm just trying to make sure I'm on the right track. Is this sort of like saying, if you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life sort of thing?

Jason:

Well, that's a little bit different. Because doing what you love is following your internal guidance, and a lot of us are following our mental guidance too. But not working a day of life is being in alignment with what you're doing.

So most people out there are chasing something, and they're taking actions, and it's not working, because they're in a frequency of reality where it'll never happen. So they're trying to solve with action, the mismatched to reality. So instead of trying to force misaligned action, what you need to do is shift into a frame that's aligned, and then it happens automatically. And literally, this new process, like invalidating 90% of the coaching tools I used in the past, you don't need them anymore.

And as I've been doing this, my client, like I use this process to go from $100,000 in revenue in 2019, to a million dollars grew my revenue 10x the next year, I tripled it the year after that. And I took myself from me to 30 people on the team and about 20 months. And I'm 95% out of business operations. Like I use these tools all the time. So it's almost like that idea of the multiverse right? There's an infinite number of parallel versions of you, instead of becoming the one that has it, you shift to the version of you that has it.

David:

This makes so much sense to me, actually, because I've been, you know, talking to somebody and had a few thoughts. You know, somebody pointed something similar out to me a couple of weeks ago, or months ago, I guess, at this point. And so while I'm still absolutely working on it, in this scenario, I've seen it I've witnessed kind of exactly what you're talking about as far as like, the shifts were. So the wife and I had, we were apart for a little while, as far as like the military goes and kind of a rocky spell a little bit rough, whatever. And I was really down on it. And the guy pointed out, like, hey, you know, the fact that you're dwelling on it this way, thinking about it this way, and that's the energy you're putting out into the world is perpetuating the cycle. And so like challenge me to like, Hey, you're gonna think positively you're gonna get rid of the, you know, all the all the things you hear, but he said it in a different way. And I have noticed a distinct difference week by week, if it's like, if I'm in a funk, like everything struggles. And if I'm not, it's so much easier, and everything goes so much smoother. And it's not necessarily doing anything different.

Jason:

It is that easy.

I'll give you an example. And the process of shifting to an aligned frame, I call frame shifting is what I call it. And I'll give you an example of what I actually call reverse frame shifting. We do it all the time. You're driving in your car, you hear a song from when you were 22 years old, you remember what a butthead you were to your somebody back then and you feel bad, right? Like and literally, you're using your focus to put focus yourself on a lower frequency version of yourself and you feel heavier and feel worse. That's like a reverse frame shift.

What I'm showing people how to do is to focus into a version of you you haven't been come yet. And with your focus and literally a minute exercise you pull align with that version of you.

Alex:

Can I have the exercise please?

Jason:

Yes, yes. Yeah! I share it all the time.

So what's a growth area for you Alex, right now in business? Is there an area in your life where you're stuck?

Alex:

I sort of want to be a full time camera guy and not into real estate anymore. I love it so much more than anything.

Jason:

So David and I can have a conversation on the sides. Like what are you doing going into photography like real estate's where the money's at right so on the outside that's what we see. But what we can't see is the intuitive guidance that Alex getting, he's like there's an excitement there. Excitement means going that direction. Like me when I decided to become a coach, it was exciting and like why would you quit your 150,000 a year job to go get a job that pays you 30, right? But what we don't realize is that when you follow your unique path, money will show up. It doesn't matter what you do, right? And as a coach, I make way more than I ever did in sales. So let's frameshift and you'll more because I'm gonna jump a little bit ahead of here, Alex, but I'm guessing that like, you like being a camera guy, it's exciting. You're not sure how you're gonna make the money. Because real estate makes the money, but there's an exciting path for you. So that's somewhat accurate?

30:00 - 35:00

Alex:

Yeah.

Jason:

Okay.

So let's do a frameshift exercise. So the way you do a frameshift is like, can you get a sense? And what I mean by sense, is, we're at a stoplight, you know, you're looking straight ahead. And you know, that person is looking at you. But you're not looking at them, right? We've all had that. We're not using one of our five senses. But you can sense the presence, right? Okay, that's what we're sensing.

So can you Alex, get a sense of a version of you anytime in the future who understands what I'm talking about and frameshifting at a greater depth than you do now?

Alex:

Yeah, I think so. I know what the camera version of me looks like. I'm pretty sure.

Jason:

Okay, you're jumping ahead. So because can you get a sense?

Alex:

Okay, so sorry.

Jason:

It's okay. It's okay. You're it's a new tool. So can you get a sense of a version of you in the future? Tomorrow, a year from now? 10 years? Whichever one? Can you get a sense of a version of you in the future? Who understands frameshifting? What I'm talking about more than you do now?

Alex:

Yes.

Jason:

Okay.

Can you get a sense of a version of you in the future? Who understands frame shifting so well, that if you wanted to, you could talk about it on a podcast and teach people how to do it?

Alex:

I think so, yeah.

Jason:

Now where is that frame in relation to you physically? Was it front, back, up, where is it?

Alex:

Over there.

Jason:

Okay, to your right.

Alex:

Behind me to the right.

Jason:

Okay.

Now, can you sense the presence of that frame, even though you're looking at me on the camera?

Alex:

Yeah.

Jason:

Okay. Keep your attention on it. Okay. And as a side note for everybody's different me, it's in the front left. Some people it's up, down. Now, let's just stack on it a little bit more. Okay.

Can you get a sense of the version of you in the future who makes more money than you ever thought you could being a camera guy?

Alex:

Yes.

Jason:

Can you get a sense of a version of you that loves what you're doing and real estate is just optional if you want to?

Alex:

Easily. Yes.

Jason:

Okay.

Can you get a sense of the version of you that knows how to make that transition in the funnest, easiest, most profitable way ever?

Alex:

Yes.

Jason:

Okay, now, just keep your attention on that frame. We're gonna go like 20 seconds here. Keep your attention on that frame. At this point, what that frame is, is irrelevant. You already said it. You just keep attention on the presence of it. Let's go another five seconds.

So Alex, how are you feeling now?

Alex:

Motivated?

Jason:

What else? How does your body feel?

Alex:

I feel focused and excited.

Jason:

Excited.

Do you feel heavier or lighter?

Alex:

I feel like I'm about to go run.

Jason:

Okay, awesome. Good.

Do you have any new thoughts on making that transition?

Alex:

I feel like I'm just scared. I think I know what it looks like. I just don't know what it looks like tomorrow. And so I'm sort of like, you know.

Jason:

Okay.

So first of all, the way you validate a frameshift is a three three indicators. So when you shift frames, there's a change in emotion. There's a change in confidence, or certainty. And there's a change and feeling in your body. So I heard you said more focused, excited. So there was an increase in positive emotion, your certainty increased, right? You've probably felt 100% certain, your doubt decreased. Now, you didn't know what to do. But you were focused anyway. And you felt running like you want to go run, which is energized and full of energy, which is not heavy and sluggish. So let's just note right here, we shifted you into the frequency of the version of you that knows that can do that. That's part of the equation.

The second equation is following the process of life after you shift. Because the first thing that happened and this is a fantastic example, we shifted you to an aligned frame. And the first thing that comes up is like fear, right? Do you notice that?

This is actually an amazing example. Because that's the next thing you need to integrate and process to move along your path. Whatever that fear is. And that fear doesn't necessarily require intellectual resolution. Literally, you just need to feel it and sit with it. And if you sit with it and breathe, it'll probably neutralize in a minute or so.

35:00 - 40:00

Jason:

So, as we start to follow this path, I call this path, your knowing right following your knowing, like David and I can clearly see that you're supposed to be a camera guy. We don't know what but when you see him talk like you see it David he shifts, right. It's like there's a passion there. We know, we don't know where we don't know what. But we know. And it may not even be a camera guy, you may be a big movie director, but it starts as a camera guy, this is the first step. So here's the other concept you want to understand is that there's known and unknown, right, you can go forward in the known and unknown. Here's the best example I can give you for known and unknown. You got somebody with a W-2, they went out there in the military, they want to retire, they want to have money. They want to be real estate, and they read Brandon Turner's books, and they're like, Okay, I need 100 doors at 100 bucks a door and I get $10,000 a month. And from now I can make a plan for five to seven years to get my 100 doors in five to seven years, they can map that out, right 100 offers, put 100 deals, 100 offers 100 profit, you can map it back, okay. At the same time, that military guy knows that he could get in one deal in five months that could do the same thing. But he doesn't know how, right?

So the way you do impossible things is by blazing into the unknown, most people live their lives in the known. So right now this path for you is outgoing, that camera is totally unknown, it's totally going to stretch you. And it's going to be the most satisfying thing you've ever known as you start to climb your mountain. And here's the kicker though, your intuition is gonna give it to you one step at a time. You try to do a 12 months plan out that your brain kicks in. It's not that you don't want that plan you want like so here, let me ask you this question, Alex, what's the most exciting step you could take anytime in the next week to make major progress towards being a camera guy?

Alex:

turn the camera on.

Jason:

turn the camera on. How fast did that answer pop up? Was it instant?
Alex:

Instant.

Jason:

That's an intuitive answer, right? Boom, boom. So start doing that.

So this is not next week, become a camera guy. This is the journey of becoming a camera guy. That's how you follow your own unique path. As you start to trug up your mountain up there. That's a great example. But the frameshifting gets you to alignment and you're gonna have to integrate all the stuff that comes up along the way. I've had clients who are making seven figures in business and they saw the business stop growing, and everything was functioning properly, the team, marketing, everything. And then after like six months of coaching, the thing that was holding them back was their relationship with themselves. Because as an energetic being, what you have in life is the frequency of you today, if you want to have more money than you have now, that's a higher frequency financially. So the version of you that has a higher frequency financially is up here. You have to do the work to integrate from here to here. And the work that comes up along the way doesn't always make sense to our brain. But it's just what comes up and it's usually fears and doubts, past stories.

Alex:

This is by far the best therapy session I'd ever have.

Jason:

Love to hear it.

David:

I want to go on record saying that there are people on this podcast who have told Alex that he's got what it takes to be an awesome camera, guys. So when you were like, Yeah, you and I see it, I was like yep, yep. See that.

Jason:

But that's but that decision to lean in is terrifying. Because you're leaving the safety of being average. And when you leave the safety of being average, you stand out and you get to a point when you start to shine. You're gonna make other people feel bad because they're neglecting themselves in their path. And you're gonna be an example of what they're not doing.

David:

Yeah, I love this. I almost feel like not asking you the question just to sit.

Jason:

This is what I figured out literally and that's what's in his book, like that's the foundation that didn't in this book, but this is like, I don't know how I figured out all this stuff. But the more I do it, if you see me talk about it. I get like, I get full of energy. I'm supposed to be doing this.

David:

Yeah, you absolutely lit up.

Alex:

Dude, this is how I feel when I shoot with somebody else. And I know because my camera is about people. And so when I'm with somebody and I'm doing it and I'm on a film, and I'm doing something, I have this same very similar symbiosis where I'm like, Okay, I got you, I can control you. I will make you feel confident, look you best. And I'll make it epic. And like, I feel just this way where I'm like, in the same way you feel right now, because I'm feeling it the same way where I'm like, Okay, this is this is on another plane, this is my purpose. That's how I feel. That's how I know. Yeah, so it's really fascinating. Because this is like, it's layered. It's meta, you're doing it, and then I'm feeling the same way.

40:00 - 45:00

Jason:

Yeah.

And it's a journey that you'll never get to the end to. There's always another level. So that's the best advice I can give to somebody who's following the footsteps of like, doing their passion is to fall in love with the journey and not the end result.

Alex:

Do you have any coaching clients that we know?

Jason:

Probably?

David:

There's this one guy with a beard on the line.

Jason:

Besides Brandon Turner, and Matt Onofrio.

David:

Yeah, those guys. And then I know my buddy, John, is working with one of your coaches right now.

I was gonna ask what I had intended on asking you like, what some of the most common, like limiting beliefs or limitations are that you see? It sounds like we kind of just summarized the answer to that. But I don't know if there's a different answer you would give in that context? And if not, then I'll move on to another question.

Jason:

There's an infinite number of limiting beliefs describing the same thing. Like the first way you start to really live your life on your terms is to make a decision. This is what I call a game changing decision where you're just like, you're gonna play the game no matter what. Because you can be let's say, you want to play basketball, and you're standing on the sideline, ready to go in. And then right in front of you, you see, somebody just gets elbowed in the face, gets a nose broken, knocked down.

And a lot of people want to play the game or be called to play the game. But they're scared about losing and not winning, and what could happen and breaking the nose. So it's like the first step, and all the limiting beliefs start there about why they're not in the game. But when you make the decision to play the game, no matter what all of that, fears about it go away. And then rather than focus on limiting beliefs, let's just focus on the things that stop people from playing, given all they've got. Because most people, if you ask them what level of their potential they're playing at, they're probably going to give you a small number 20 to 60%, maybe 80%. And if you ask why they're not playing at their full potential, they're gonna give you answers like fear, doubt, they're gonna give you emotional answers, right? Their emotions. So people end up coming to coaching thinking, Well, I have this fear, if I didn't have this fear, I'd be successful. If I wasn't, I wouldn't have anxiety, I wouldn't have stress. And they and the human mind ends up thinking that the emotion is the reason we're not getting what we want. And we're not playing at the level we want. But the reality is that the emotion that's coming up in the growth process is not the roadblock, the stopping the growth, it's literally the side effect and symptom of growth.

As you grow to a higher frequency beyond your comfort zone, you're gonna feel fear, doubt, uncertainty, worry, that's not the problem. That's the same side effect. The side effects are there like, you know if you're going to train for a marathon, your feet are gonna hurt, right? Like it just, it's gonna happen, right? So once you accept that those emotions are not the problem. They're the symptoms of growth. Oh, it's just, it's gonna feel like that. Yeah, keep going anyway. Okay. Keep going.

David:

I love it.

So I want to be respectful of your time. So there is something that I wanted to touch on, at least somewhat before we. So I know you're writing another book. You have a financial mindset event going on in a week and a half, two weeks, which, I'm really bummed about the date you chose because I was gonna go but it conflicts with my own event locally. I guess it doesn't make sense to no show something you're hosting, you know, next year for sure. But I've gotten to do some of the financial mindset exercises that you've put forth in the Go Abundance group. Could you kind of, I guess, I guess I'm gonna give you we don't ever let anyone plug but I would, I would like you to plug I actually I don't even know if this is going to come out before the event. But if you could just give an overview of kind of like what, like the financial mindset concept and event and kind of what that looks like for the listeners because I think that's something that's you know, the idea is really cool.

45:00 - 50:00

Jason:

Yeah. Like the amount of money that you have in your Life is based on the financial frequency of life you're living in.

So, if you want to make more money, you need to start living in a different financial frequency of life. The first step to making more money is as simple as the decision to make more money.

I was talking to a realtor at a talk I did a couple of weeks ago. He's like, I want to go from one house. It was an investor, I want to go from one property a year to 10 properties a year. And he asked me, How do I do that? And I said, learn how? And he said, I gotta learn how I'm like, Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

So if you want to make more money, here's the secret on how to make more money, learn how to make more money. Like literally, it's that simple. We learn stuff all the time, we learn new phones, new apps, like all the time, we're learning new things, when it comes to learning new money, learning how to make money. Well, you don't want to go look for jobs because you feel like shit. And the job process is not, we're not treated well on the job process. So who wants to go through that again? So most people end up living their life accepting the least amount of money that they'll tolerate doing what they want, like, we're capable of so much more. Our entire society is built on financial scarcity, like spending and savings, and all of that all comes from people not living in an NS frequency of financial abundance.

And the thing you also need to understand is money is a process. You guys know, right? It's a process, you don't just say, I'm gonna go make more money, it's a process. And right now all of us are in the process of making more money. But just because we don't see the end part of it doesn't mean we're not in the process. So the way you make more money is making a decision to make more money. Because if you're on this planet, at this time, you're going to be spending five days a week making money anyway, you may as well put in an extra hour or two a day to figure out how to make more money. Because it's not that hard. And it's just, it's a trial. And I've had like five companies. I've been sued in business, like I read Rich Dad, Poor Dad 17 years ago. And it took me 16 years to create the money I wanted. But it's a journey of process. And where most people don't understand is that the financial growth journey is intimately tied into personal growth. So if you're resisting personal growth, you'll never get the money. It's wrapped in there. That's my new book in two to three minutes.

David:

When do you think that one's gonna come out? He asks, knowing that the moment you finish a book, it takes like another year?

Jason:

No, no, we're not going through a publisher that takes a year, we're going to self publish it. I'm aiming to be done writing with my partner by the end of July, and I'm going to publish it as soon as possible. So it should be out in the next three to four months.

David:

That's awesome.

Alex:

Are you going to sell any limited edition signed copies that I can buy?

Jason:

Limited edition, I think I should now absolutely. Limited Edition signed copies out.

Alex:

I'll get David to buy us.

Alex:

There's Alex's real financial mindset. Hey, Dave. Oh, man.

Jason, what did we miss? Is there any? Is there anything that we should cover in this that we have, I feel like we've kind of done some pretty broad strokes. And ultimately, both of your books are great resources for anybody who's looking to learn more about this, as well as obviously, you know, it's like, Hey, I happened to coach people for a living. So, you know, if you're looking for more of this, people probably know where to go. But what are we missing?

Jason:

Well, there's a lot, there's a lot more. But I would say that the other piece that really helps this journey is when you move into a place of self acceptance. Because who you are. And the path you've had in life up till this moment, is a combination of all of the frequencies involved. And maybe you had a conversation with God before this, or maybe your souls are on a journey. I don't know. We don't know, whatever you believe, but we do know that the experience of life you have had is to give you to make you who you are now, one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen in my life. Well, politics, but like Supreme Court nominee hearings, right?

50:00 - 55:00

20 years ago, you did this? It's like, well, we're not looking at the 20 year old person, like that person had to go through those things to become this person here. So who you are now is because of what you went through. And the way that you really start making a change in your life is to be in ownership of it. Take ownership. Because I would say probably 70 to 80% of the population, the reason why they're stuck, maybe even 90% is because of their reaction to their present life, right? Where you are today. Today, right now, in this moment, life is fixed, it's already done. Your bank account in this moment looks like it does your relationship, your house, your hair, your body, in this moment, it is what it is. So many people cannot get out of reaction to the present situation of their life. And they're waking up every day having a reaction to the bank account, or the relationship or the body or the house or whatever they don't like. And then they start taking action from a place of reaction. And that's a disempowered frequency. So you have to get out of reaction. So you get out of reaction to the way you're starting your life. And today, then you move into an aligned frame, and you'll create exponentially faster. Because your life in this moment is not an indicator of the future, it's a result of the past. And that's where most people like because if you're going to go anywhere, and you're going to use your phone in Google Maps, you have to put a starting point there, most people are in denial or resistant to the starting point. So they can never get an accurate path going.

So your life, what it is right now is fixed, accept it, then then decide what you're going to do next. Like right there, that's probably one of the powerful tools I can give people. It's like it is what it is, you can be mad, whatever, and be mad and be sad and process that emotion of anger or sadness or frustration. And when you're done processing it all, then align with what you want to take the action.

David:

I can't think of what book it was where I read this, but there was a book. And they used what I would consider kind of an extreme example, but to illustrate kind of the same idea of just owning it. And it was Tiger Woods. And the example was when everything went south for Tiger Woods with the, you know, affairs and everything. His golf game tanked for, you know, 5,6,10 years, whatever. And the guy's point was essentially that he you know, when that happened, he played the denial game, the blame game, the, all these other things, and it spiraled out of control. And the guy's argument was essentially like, had he just owned it said, Yes, I messed up. This is what happened, this is who I am. The golf game would have stayed, he would have stayed focused and whatever. And the analogy, I mean, it kind of comes full circle, like, when he did get back in the golf circuit was when he finally everything was finalized. It was out in the open and he was like, Yep, this is, this is me, this is what happened. And that's kind of an extreme example. But it kind of brings it home to me where it's like, yeah, that's, you know, everybody makes mistakes. Everybody does. You know, but if you don't, if you're trying to hide from it or lie to yourself about it, Alex it's a phrase that I've heard from Alex recently about something that I need to work on for myself, but you know, it, it's, you know, how are you ever going to solve the problem or move on.

Jason:

Absolutely.

Like, it's not easy being in the public spotlight like that. It's hard. You know?

David:

Yeah.

Jason:

With money and people being thrown at you. I can only imagine how difficult that is. Right? Yeah. But that's how much time he needed to fully process. That was his process of processing. There's no right, there's no wrong, because truth is all relative to perspective, right? If you look at a cylinder from one direction, it'll look round. If you look from another direction, it'll look square or rectangular, right? So there's this different level of contrast. And every one of us is an infinite being on this energetic plan, having our own experience. And if you want to dial into and focus on the experience other people are having as your experience will go right ahead.

I choose to actually stay in my own experience. So when stuff happens in the world, the economy doesn't dictate my success. My frequency does.
David:

I love this stuff. I love all that. So this has been phenomenal. And you know, you did not disappoint. And I really appreciate you joining us here on the show. I don't know Alex, did you have any parting questions or comments you would like to throw to the world?

Alex:

Dude, I'm sort of in shock still. So I really apologize. I'm really internalizing everything we talked about. You know, it's sort of weird. We've spent a lot of time talking about the mindset of the last few years on this show. David and I have been engrossed in a lot of personal growth. I think we've done a good job of being in social circles that are focused on personal growth. We're a mastermind together like. On the surface. You know, this is not a new topic. But this definitely feels like we broke new ground in a way that's going to take me a few days to You know, articulate. So, yeah, I don't really. I don't know what to say. But I'm definitely feeling something new. Which I'm grateful for. Very grateful for.

55:00 - 58:55

Jason:

Happy to hear that. That's awesome. That's a great place to be. And what if this is just the starting point?

Alex:

Yeah, I tell people sometimes when they, you know, I'm 38 I look much younger, thankfully. But I tell people, I'm like, you know, I was sort of, like a lot of, like, a lot of people, especially Americans sort of living month to month live working week to week on a job that they didn't really like, was no plan for the future and was not investing in myself growth at all. And it wasn't till about 30 that I say that I kind of pulled my head out of my ass. And so that's what I feel like my life really started. And so I'm basically eight, as far as I'm concerned, right? I mean, I'm eight years old. And so sometimes too, you get into these modes where even self growth becomes so habitual that, you know, it feels right now, like, like I told you earlier, like, I'm going through a transformative moment in life now. And then you have these kinds of discussions and insights. So it feels like there's a lot of life feels like right now. Like there's a real lot of life ahead. And which is very, it makes me very optimistic.

David:

I love it.

And, Alex, I appreciate you being the guinea pig on the show for change. I say change, we participate equally.

Jason, this has been awesome. Thank you so much for joining us today. And I obviously need to give you the opportunity to plug where people can reach out to you if they'd like more information.

Jason:

Yeah, well, thank you for the invitation to be here.

The number one way to get more information is this book. There's also an audible as well. But this is the foundation of what I'm talking about and the more times you read this, the deeper your integration of it actually goes. I've had clients who've like been in my content and reviewed it from a year ago and then literally they just had a brand new breakthrough on it because it's really high frequency content. So you can absorb as much as you can this time, but reviewing it helps.

And if you're interested in more you can follow me on instagram, Jason Drees coaching, I put a lot of free content out there. And then we do live events and I also have one-on-one coaching. But the number one way to really start to integrate this into your life is to get a one on one coach. That's the number one way, a one on one coach will talk to you a few times a month, help give you input guidance and help you understand these processes and tools. And it really will just help you on that journey of your path to greatness and your path to financial freedom and abundance. It's the best way to do it. Hire a coach.

David:

Yep. Yeah, I agree. That's awesome.

Oh, there's one thing that I meant to do in this episode. I told myself I was gonna do it. So if you're still listening, go leave us a five star review and and tell us something awesome that you got out of the show because I don't think I've actually asked for or talked about reviews once in like the last 70 episodes, so should probably do a better job of saying hey, we'd really appreciate a review online so that people know that podcast is doing as well as it is.

Alex:

And we deserve it.

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